11 May 2018

Caught you out there

I refer to all those pedants who thought they had caught me out in error when I described this Diocese as "The old Catholic Diocese of Oxford" ... since it was founded by "King" Henry "VIII", surely better referred to as Tudor Minor.

Yah boo ... the diocese of Oxford was erected by Reginald Cardinal Pole on December 24, 1554, by virtue of his Legatine powers, in his Legatine Constitution Cum supremum. So there.

Another bit of Revenge Pedantry: Roman Catholic writers love to remind us that, apart from a Welshman called Kitchen, no 'Marian' bishop conformed to the 'Settlement' of Elizabeth Tudor the once Virgin 'Queen'. Not so. Hugh Curwen, who had been consecrated Archbishop of Dublin by Edmund 'Patrimony' Bonner, Bishop of London, in 1555, was later translated to Oxford. I often wonder how this poor old bishop-of-bray got on with the grim gang of Calvinists who were his confratres. Not to mention the Calvinist dons who by this time had been intruded into Oxford professorial chairs. "Serve him right", I hear you say. You are a heartless lot.

I append some very interesting comments attached to a much older post on this subject.

3 comments:

William Tighe said...

More than Kitchin of Llandaff. Stanley* of Sodor & Man (bishop from 1510 to 1546 and again from 1556 to his death in 1569) conformed, and so did a number of the suffragan bishops consecrated in the 1530s: John Hodgkins, Bishop of Bedford (d. ca. 1560), John Salisbury, Bishop of Thetford and Dean of Norwich (d. 1573) who succeeded Stanley in Sodor & Man, and probably one or two more who survived until after 1559, but who lived lives of such obscurity that no trace of their activities has survived. Beyond that, between 5 to 7 Irish bishops (including Curwen, an Englishman) conformed in and after 1560.

*Stanley was an illegitimate son of a Lord Monteagle and became Bishop of Sodor & Man and Rector of Winwick, both of them within the patronage of the Stanleys, at a very young age. He was removed by Henry VIII in 1546 for reasons unknown, and then restored by Mary in 1556 after the death of his replacement. Whether he was tendered the oaths in 1559 (due to the confused legal position of his bishopric) is unknown; and in any event in his long episcopate he seems never to have set foot in his diocese. After 1559 he lived in Durham -- "merry as Pope Joan," as Bishop Pilkington of Durham once characterized him -- until his death in 1569, composing a rhyming chronicle on the history of the Stanley family.

William Tighe said...

The suffragan bishops alive in 1558/59 appear to have been:

John Hodgkin (Bedford), cons. 1537, d. 1560 (conformed in 1559)

Thomas Sparke (Berwick), cons. 1537, d. 1572 (conformed in 1559; Rector of Wolsingham, co. Durham)

Robert Sylvester alias Pursglove (Hull), cons. 1538, d. 1579 (refused and deprived, 1559, retired to his native Tideswell, co. Derbys, where his tomb with a brass of him in pontificalibus may be seen)

Thomas Morley (Marlborough), cons. 1537, ?d. 1561 (?conformed)

Lewis Thomas (Shrewsbury), cons. 1537, d. 1561 (?conformed)

William Finch (Taunton), cons. 1538, d. 1559

John Salisbury (Thetford), cons. 1536 (also Dean of Norwich), conformed 1559; to Sodor & Man 1570, d. 1573

The dates of the deaths of Thomas Manning (Ipswich; cons. 1536) and John Bradley (Shaftesbury; cons. 1539) are unknown.

cf. also Thomas Stanley (Sodor & Man) above

On Ireland, see "The Irish Parliament of 1560: the Anglican Reforms Authorized* by Henry A. Jefferies, *Irish Historical Studies*, xxvi:102 (Nov. 1988), pp. 128-141.

J Robinson said...

Hi Father, (sorry if this is a double-comment), this is off-topic, but since you mention Queen Elizabeth, do you have any thoughts on Peter Hitchens' recent First Things article on Catholic and Anglican martyrs?